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Nest thermostat with Baxi caldaia murale – natural gas heater with Perri Termostati a 220 240v thermostat

12 Feb

edited on Feb 12th 2013 – futuristic views included

following a request from Massimo a Nest thermostat potential adopter in Italy,

I am trying to assist him in what could be the ad-hoc wiring of a Baxi gast heater mated to a Perri Termostati, a 220 240 thermostat.

the two thermostat wiring options are shown below:

perry thermostat TE120 TE121 TE122 TE123
elettronic termostati perry italia

elettronic termostati perry italia

in my opinion, the “red” boxed wiring (if compatible with the Baxi heating unit) is preferred.

Massimo having now confirmed his wiring is not the red box above, but rather the separate circuitry of supply and dry switch as shown below:

with_separate_power supply_dry_switch_eletronic_perry_TE120_TE121_TE122_TE123_termostati_elettronici

…I am starting to think about how is the actual wiring done at the heating unit level – my point being that I do not believe the actual wiring per Massimo’s feedback

is as shown below (from the Baci user manual):

baci wiring as-is_inclusive of power supply_termostati_elettronici

section added on Feb 12th 2013.

so given the status reach previously, here is below what I would advise one may want to setup in order to make the Nest Thermostat work with a heating system not providing both line and neutral.

Please note that my preliminary conclusions are that the RC840T is not per-say compatible as-is.

baci thermostat nest wiring prosposed

baci thermostat nest wiring prosposed

Now if we want to get a notch more futuristic and ask Nest Lab a serious ease of implementation with “most” heating systems in EU (at least the ones working on 220 240 volts), here is what a good step forward would be….

the futuristic nest thermostat 20130212

I just want to point that this version of Nest thermostat does not appear to exist today, but it should not be that complicated to roll out for the European market.

what do you think? Do you concur?

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missing 1 wire from my gas heater to my Aube RC840 to finish off Nest Thermostat wiring!!!

11 Jan

Dear all,

have verified in full my previously recommended wiring  earlier this week – having a 3-wire (220 240 Volts) cable running from my gas heater, to my RC840, and 3-wire from my RC840 to my nest thermostat.

While doing this, I have actually used this to let me Nest get fully charged, updated to the latest software, and exercised it a bit.

A few comments for those who go thru this process:

  1. it took a few hours to get my nest battery charged up to at least 3.7V
  2. note that in between it may (at least mine did) reboot a few times – realizing it does not have enough energy to run wifi (required to get the update done – have no idea about the size of the download by the way, do you?)
  3. 3.7V is critical as it is the minimum Nest needs to be able to launch software updates
  4. once update was done, an easy trouble-free process, I was able to fully control my nest via my Ipad

I live in an 1930s building, and our apartment got renovated to the current Electricity standard a few years ago (meaning I have a decent amount of extra wires running thru the various electricity access). Frustration rose when I realize I did NOT have a 220 240 Volts with 6-wires but 5-wires!

This means I can’t properly wire the Ns/Ls/Lr from my heating unit to the RC840T (I had planned to locate it near my fuse box – opposite from my heating unit).

So I have paused my installation – and – it looks like the only alternative is to change the heater supply cable and upgrade it to a 6-wires one.That’s assuming of course, I have room to retrofit it!! If you can think of anything else to do… please chime in now!!

In any case, I have updated and confirmed now that the diagram below is fully working.

nest thermostat 220v rc840

if you can’t figure out how is laid out the apartment and how the wiring has to run, I will draw up a schematic of the flat and the way the wire will be running thru.

electrical schematic of nest thermostat with 220 240 volts heating system

19 Dec

nest thermostat 220v europe

nest thermostat wired to a 220V heating system

following request for clarification,

here is my understanding of how this works, and particularly what is the RC840-240T doing for you.

#1 RC840T-240T is overkill – this box is designed to drive directly an electric heater (2kW or so…). this means the relay in this box can carry a lot of current

#2 note this device is not approved in Europe, probably because of 50Hz and 220 240 Volts (versus 60Hz and 110 Volts), so a new certification would be required.

#3 and I Will pause here, I have a doubt about the need (or not) for the C wire to be connected honestly, so I will investigate and report back once I have a chance to spend more time.

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